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		<title>By: William (green)</title>
		<link>http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/2008/03/24/hearing-genesat-1/comment-page-1/#comment-49788</link>
		<dc:creator>William (green)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all fairness, the first post didn&#039;t show up for a day, so I figured it hadn&#039;t submitted.  I&#039;m not quite &lt;i&gt;as&lt;/i&gt; impatient as you would think from looking at those two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all fairness, the first post didn&#8217;t show up for a day, so I figured it hadn&#8217;t submitted.  I&#8217;m not quite <i>as</i> impatient as you would think from looking at those two.</p>
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		<title>By: William (green)</title>
		<link>http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/2008/03/24/hearing-genesat-1/comment-page-1/#comment-49743</link>
		<dc:creator>William (green)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think the easy availability of working old gear has eroded the market for commercial ‘low end’ HF gear as a result only fancy ultra-sensitive&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So...  how would one go about obtaining some of this easily-available working old gear?  At this point, it&#039;s just curiosity, but I know someone in the States who&#039;s looking to get some basic ham gear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think the easy availability of working old gear has eroded the market for commercial ‘low end’ HF gear as a result only fancy ultra-sensitive</p></blockquote>
<p>So&#8230;  how would one go about obtaining some of this easily-available working old gear?  At this point, it&#8217;s just curiosity, but I know someone in the States who&#8217;s looking to get some basic ham gear.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/2008/03/24/hearing-genesat-1/comment-page-1/#comment-20430</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...  ISS has been &quot;hard&quot; to pick up only because we haven&#039;t really been trying.  Every couple evenings after I finish all the other things I&#039;ve been working on I fire up gpredict and see whats about to fly overhead.  If there is something coming I tune in and listen. I also ping Ben and let him know.   I&#039;ve heard a couple of things, but ISS has never made a *close* pass while I was listening. 

If Ben really wants to hear ISS he could try tuning in around 03/26 08:11 UTC, 03/27 09:40 UTC, 03/28 07:23, or 03/28 23:48 UTC. All of which will be nice high elevation passes from his location and which will bring ISS within 450mi. (or he could install a prediction program like gpredict himself and not depend on me feeling like looking it up) 

Regarding the commentary on the prices of HF rigs .. it doesn&#039;t have to be all that expensive. What is expensive is buying new HF rigs. I think the easy availability of working old gear has eroded the market for commercial &#039;low end&#039; HF gear as a result only fancy ultra-sensitive ... and somewhat expensive rigs are available new.  The least expensive HF rigs available new are specialist boxes things which are lower power, or CW only, etc..  The new fancy rigs are nice and have sensitivity and selectivity that will knock the socks off decades old gear, but a lot of old stuff will work quite well for the basic purpose of communicating over long distances. On the used market you have many options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;  ISS has been &#8220;hard&#8221; to pick up only because we haven&#8217;t really been trying.  Every couple evenings after I finish all the other things I&#8217;ve been working on I fire up gpredict and see whats about to fly overhead.  If there is something coming I tune in and listen. I also ping Ben and let him know.   I&#8217;ve heard a couple of things, but ISS has never made a *close* pass while I was listening. </p>
<p>If Ben really wants to hear ISS he could try tuning in around 03/26 08:11 UTC, 03/27 09:40 UTC, 03/28 07:23, or 03/28 23:48 UTC. All of which will be nice high elevation passes from his location and which will bring ISS within 450mi. (or he could install a prediction program like gpredict himself and not depend on me feeling like looking it up) </p>
<p>Regarding the commentary on the prices of HF rigs .. it doesn&#8217;t have to be all that expensive. What is expensive is buying new HF rigs. I think the easy availability of working old gear has eroded the market for commercial &#8216;low end&#8217; HF gear as a result only fancy ultra-sensitive &#8230; and somewhat expensive rigs are available new.  The least expensive HF rigs available new are specialist boxes things which are lower power, or CW only, etc..  The new fancy rigs are nice and have sensitivity and selectivity that will knock the socks off decades old gear, but a lot of old stuff will work quite well for the basic purpose of communicating over long distances. On the used market you have many options.</p>
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		<title>By: drinian</title>
		<link>http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/2008/03/24/hearing-genesat-1/comment-page-1/#comment-20429</link>
		<dc:creator>drinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can remember picking up weather satellite transmissions about six or seven years ago, using an old Uniden Bearcat police-band scanner. I could hear the Sputnik-like repeating &quot;beep&quot; as it moved overhead, and then faded out over the horizon.

With SSB, I understand you can pick up the data signal and load the real-time images on to your computer. Just being able to pick up &lt;em&gt;anything&lt;/em&gt; with that old scanner was pretty amazing, though. I&#039;m actually surprised that it&#039;s that much harder to pick up on the ISS, given how much better your equipment is than mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can remember picking up weather satellite transmissions about six or seven years ago, using an old Uniden Bearcat police-band scanner. I could hear the Sputnik-like repeating &#8220;beep&#8221; as it moved overhead, and then faded out over the horizon.</p>
<p>With SSB, I understand you can pick up the data signal and load the real-time images on to your computer. Just being able to pick up <em>anything</em> with that old scanner was pretty amazing, though. I&#8217;m actually surprised that it&#8217;s that much harder to pick up on the ISS, given how much better your equipment is than mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyde Weys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyde Weys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly&#039;s right, the size of the station doesn&#039;t determine how receivable the signal is, only the output wattage being used.  But a bona fide spacestation has much more power available to it than a 6&quot; satellite.  The ISS could easily muster up 1,000 watts for a radio transmission (you see how huge their solar panels are?!); the microsat will be lucky to get a few watts.

&quot;You just need an amplifier&quot; makes it sound a bit simpler than it really is.  Greg and I were pricing out amplifiers for high-wattage HF work a few days ago and the cheapest you&#039;ll find at decent output levels is over $1,000.

For that price, you can get a pretty nice HF radio and an end-fed antenna and even make contact with stations that aren&#039;t on the same side of the Earth as the Moon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly&#8217;s right, the size of the station doesn&#8217;t determine how receivable the signal is, only the output wattage being used.  But a bona fide spacestation has much more power available to it than a 6&#8243; satellite.  The ISS could easily muster up 1,000 watts for a radio transmission (you see how huge their solar panels are?!); the microsat will be lucky to get a few watts.</p>
<p>&#8220;You just need an amplifier&#8221; makes it sound a bit simpler than it really is.  Greg and I were pricing out amplifiers for high-wattage HF work a few days ago and the cheapest you&#8217;ll find at decent output levels is over $1,000.</p>
<p>For that price, you can get a pretty nice HF radio and an end-fed antenna and even make contact with stations that aren&#8217;t on the same side of the Earth as the Moon.</p>
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		<title>By: Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, since I live in Sweden, I was not talking across the Atlantic (unless you count the North Sea between me and the U.K.).  :-)

The antennas we used were a hard wire model (kind of like an old television antenna) mounted on top of the chimney, and a soft wire model strung from the house to and around a tree (kind of like holiday lights).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since I live in Sweden, I was not talking across the Atlantic (unless you count the North Sea between me and the U.K.).  :-)</p>
<p>The antennas we used were a hard wire model (kind of like an old television antenna) mounted on top of the chimney, and a soft wire model strung from the house to and around a tree (kind of like holiday lights).</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The size of the station doesn&#039;t determine how audible its signal is.  I can&#039;t find info right now on the power levels being emitted by Genesat and the ISS, but there&#039;s no particular reason to believe that the ISS station is running at higher power than Genesat just because it&#039;s larger.

You can do transatlantic with VHF/UHF, too, via moonbounce; you just need an amplifier and a directional antenna (a basic Yagi should do).  

That said, you really should get your HF privs, an HF rig, and a 20m end-fed dipole (such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.parelectronics.com/end_fedz.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one of these&lt;/a&gt;).  You won&#039;t get the world&#039;s greatest performance with one of these, but it&#039;ll be more than good enough to do at least some DXing.  10m propagation isn&#039;t going to pick up for at least another couple of years, so I&#039;d bend your efforts toward 20m.  A 20m end-fed dipole is only 33 feet long.  If your apartment doesn&#039;t give you room for that, get a generator and go play in the field. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The size of the station doesn&#8217;t determine how audible its signal is.  I can&#8217;t find info right now on the power levels being emitted by Genesat and the ISS, but there&#8217;s no particular reason to believe that the ISS station is running at higher power than Genesat just because it&#8217;s larger.</p>
<p>You can do transatlantic with VHF/UHF, too, via moonbounce; you just need an amplifier and a directional antenna (a basic Yagi should do).  </p>
<p>That said, you really should get your HF privs, an HF rig, and a 20m end-fed dipole (such as <a href="http://www.parelectronics.com/end_fedz.htm" rel="nofollow">one of these</a>).  You won&#8217;t get the world&#8217;s greatest performance with one of these, but it&#8217;ll be more than good enough to do at least some DXing.  10m propagation isn&#8217;t going to pick up for at least another couple of years, so I&#8217;d bend your efforts toward 20m.  A 20m end-fed dipole is only 33 feet long.  If your apartment doesn&#8217;t give you room for that, get a generator and go play in the field. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Cyde Weys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyde Weys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talking across the Atlantic is actually a good bit harder than hearing satellites.  I only needed $300 in equipment to hear the satellite, but to make contact across the Atlantic, you&#039;ll need a radio that handles longer wavelengths (which is more expensive) and a serious antenna (longer wavelengths need larger antennae).  A little whip won&#039;t do.  I hope to get an HF rig and antenna eventually, but for now, I&#039;ll be content listening to satellites with my VHF/UHF setup.

Also, if I managed to hear a six inch long satellite using my setup, I should easily be able to hear the &lt;i&gt;much, much&lt;/i&gt; larger International Space Station.  I just need to wait for a closer orbit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking across the Atlantic is actually a good bit harder than hearing satellites.  I only needed $300 in equipment to hear the satellite, but to make contact across the Atlantic, you&#8217;ll need a radio that handles longer wavelengths (which is more expensive) and a serious antenna (longer wavelengths need larger antennae).  A little whip won&#8217;t do.  I hope to get an HF rig and antenna eventually, but for now, I&#8217;ll be content listening to satellites with my VHF/UHF setup.</p>
<p>Also, if I managed to hear a six inch long satellite using my setup, I should easily be able to hear the <i>much, much</i> larger International Space Station.  I just need to wait for a closer orbit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations! Having tried amateur radio (in the Scout movement, during the annual JOTA) about 15 years ago (when I was half my current age), I am jealous. We talked to Scouts in Germany and the U.K., which was still nice though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations! Having tried amateur radio (in the Scout movement, during the annual JOTA) about 15 years ago (when I was half my current age), I am jealous. We talked to Scouts in Germany and the U.K., which was still nice though.</p>
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